Archive for October, 2002
Contributor Newsletter #3
Posted by admin in Newsletter on October 16th, 2002
In this issue ------------- - New message board - New keyword: LOCATIONCORRECT - Getting a new title accepted - New additions system in development - Cast order revisited - Update on trivia, goofs, and quotes - Short questions New message board ----------------- Since the last newsletter, a new message board system has launched on the site. Along with a number of new features, we have also added a special message board for people who contribute data, called "Contributors Help." This board is actively monitored by IMDb staff, who attempt to respond as necessary (though we're gratified that our community of visitors handles some of the common queries for us). You can visit this new message board at http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/threads/ or just click on the "Message Boards" tab at the top of any page and scroll down. New keyword: LOCATIONCORRECT ---------------------------- In response to a comment on the message board, a new keyword has been created: LOCATIONCORRECT. This keyword is used to correct entries in the location list where the location is misspelled, or does not fit properly into the hierarchy at http://www.imdb.com/LocationTree . It should not be used if the entry for a movie is a valid real-world location, just not where the movie was filmed. To use the keyword, send something like this to the mail server: LOCATIONCORRECT wrong location|right location| Thus: LOCATIONCORRECT Los Angeles, CA, USA|Los Angeles, California, USA| You must supply the complete location for it to be corrected; thus, in the example above, correcting just "CA, USA" would not work. Getting a new title accepted ---------------------------- One of the more common questions we get from frustrated contributors is: Why has my new title not been accepted? As many of you know, there's currently a processing delay of a few weeks, so sometimes the answer is just, "be patient," but often the title has been rejected. The most common reason for a title to be rejected is because it does not meet our criteria for inclusion. They are spelled out in our new title guide at http://www.imdb.com/Guides/new-titles, but the short version is that a new title must be of "general public interest" and must be/have been available to the public. This means that an independent film still in production made by people with no track record is, generally, ineligible. But many titles that are eligible for listing do not get included because the data fails to demonstrate that they meet the criteria. If a film has been shown to the public, it's critical to include a release date. This can be approximate (e.g., month and year only), but it should include any appropriate modifiers, like the name of the film festival, the city for a single-city release, or "(limited)" for a limited multi-city release. If the film has a distributor, that should be included; if it debuted on television, then the name of the television network should be used as the distributor. If it's available on video through established channels, then again, the name of the distributor and release date are important. A Google search is often helpful if it's been shown in festivals (try the title plus the director name). While including an official URL is helpful, be aware that it's not a substitute for including the distributor name (even if the URL is a page within a distributor's web site). If a film is still in production, it's eligible for listing if there's a high probability it will be available to the public. In general, that means an established production company and/or distributor, or well-known filmmakers/actors. In this case, we ask for a certain amount of information so we can properly track the film. Films in production often change title and the people working on them can change, so we need more than just a title and a single name to allow us to track them. In any case, if there's only one name connected with the title, it's not far enough along in the process to have a high probability of being made (ask anyone who's seen the mountain of unproduced screenplays at most studios). With the exception of a few high-profile projects that have an excellent chance of being made (e.g., Star Wars Episode III), we don't track films until they are solidly into the preproduction phase. The volume of data we process means we generally ask the contributor to do the research to show that a title qualifies; we add over 1000 new titles to the database in some weeks, and hundreds more are discarded. Many of those rejected titles eventually do find their way into the database, either because someone eventually sends them with enough relevant data, or because they get accepted by a festival and thus become eligible. Please note that the only data that counts is formatted data contributed through our web interface; vague comments like "I hear he's making a movie with so-and-so" are worthless to us. However, if there's some unusual reason why a movie should be included despite not meeting the normal criteria, please do include a comment explaining why along with the other data (which should still include as much formatted data as possible). That comment should be included as a COMMENT-TITLE. One example that comes to mind: George Lucas in Love, which was widely available to Hollywood insiders and was written about in several major publications before it was accepted by a festival. New additions system in development ----------------------------------- As has been mentioned on the message board, a replacement for the current additions system is in development. While it is still some weeks away, some of the main features can be discussed now. In the existing additions system, the web interface serves only to format data for the mail interface; all data goes through the mail interface. In the new system, the web interface will become the primary means of contributing data. This means that many of the more mysterious rejection messages will no longer appear, as there will no longer be a disconnect between what the web interface accepts and what the mail server accepts. An interface will be available for bulk contributors, but it will feed into the web interface. Rather than the current mail interface, you will upload a file and get immediate feedback. As there are a number of things that can be correctly sent through the mail interface today that cannot be created with the web interface, this will mean a complete reworking of the web interface to allow all valid data to be sent. This will also mean errors are detected closer to their source, which should allow us to give more helpful error messages. The web interface will probably be deployed on a section-by-section basis; the first section is currently projected to be release dates. Existing data will be much easier to correct with the new system as well, with easy-to-use forms instead of the current complicated process. One of the best features of the new system will be the ability to see what data you've sent that is still pending and its current status. You will also be able to modify or add to data you've sent that is still pending. Also, in our long range plans, you'll be able to see and comment on data from other contributors that is pending. We expect that the web interface will feed more directly into our back-end processing tools, which should improve the turnaround time for processing data. Among other things, it means data will no longer be held in weekly batches, but will become available to list managers on a daily, or even continuous, basis. (This doesn't necessarily mean it will be processed on a daily basis; some list management may still be handled on a weekly cycle for a while.) As the new additions system progresses, we may ask for volunteer beta testers, most likely on the message boards. Cast order revisited -------------------- It's been pointed out that the article in the last issue on cast ordering was a bit over simplified. To reiterate that article: The cast list order is determined by the most comprehensive cast list. In modern films, that list is usually in the closing credits. However, some productions (notably TV movies) split the cast list, with the major stars listed in the opening credits and only the supporting players listed in the closing credits. In such cases, the cast list should be treated as a single cast list, interrupted by the movie itself. Update on trivia, goofs, and quotes ----------------------------------- We're pleased to announce that the backlog of trivia, goofs, and quotes for the 1000 most popular titles in the database (as determined by page view) has been cleared. We expect to keep up with new contributions for the top 1000 titles, and to make progress on the backlog, where we will continue to focus on the most popular remaining titles. We have also begun processing comments and corrections for the top 1000 titles. Questions --------- Q: Why don't you list movie-links for TV series (e.g., references made by the series)? A: Particularly for a long-running series, the list would become unwieldy. When we support episode titles, we will reconsider this. Q: Now that episode lists have been split into separate entries, does the earlier limit of 5 episodes per person still hold? A: No. Q: What's the dividing line for a Short versus a feature? A: 40 minutes, though we allow a few minutes slack as some sources don't consider credits in their timings. Q: What's the difference between a miniseries and a TV movie? A: Anything over 240 minutes running time (excluding commercials) is a miniseries; anything shorter is a TV movie, even if it's broadcast in multiple installments. Q: Now that you accept animal credits, you should also indicate the type of animal. A: Good idea. We'll think about adding a special place for this; in the meantime, please submit an appropriate biography trivia entry. Q: Where should the titles of individual episodes of theatrical serials be placed? A: For now, send them as trivia entries for the serial title. Q: Are quotes accepted in any language other than English? A: No. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMDb - Data Contributor's Newsletter - Issue 3 - THE END
Contributor Newsletter #2
Posted by admin in Newsletter on October 9th, 2002
This is the IMDb contributor's newsletter, published every 6-8 weeks. To unsubscribe, send a message to data-news-unsubscribe@mlists.imdb.com. To subscribe, send a message to data-news-subscribe@mlists.imdb.com. You can also use the signup page at http://www.imdb.com/maillists . Feedback on these articles or suggestions for new topics are welcome; contact dnews@imdb.com. The most interesting questions will be used in the next issue. Issue #2 In this issue ------------- - What happens when you submit data - Cast credit order - Historical figures in cast lists - Episode lists - Some comments about AKA titles - UNIX tools 3.18 released - Feedback What happens when you submit data --------------------------------- People sometimes wonder what happens to their data after they submit it. It is not placed online immediately. Once the mail server has accepted your data, it is accumulated until about 8 AM GMT Thursday (11 PM PST Wednesday). The entire week's data is sent to the managers of the various portions of the database. Each list manager then extracts the data for the parts of the database they are responsible for. The data is sorted and duplicates are eliminated. The list managers spend some time making sure the data is formatted correctly and checking for various inconsistencies, such as people working before their birth or after their death (this may indicate two people with the same name, but not necessarily). Some data is checked against official sources. As the various database managers complete work on a list, they upload their information; the database is rebuilt nightly using whatever's been added that day. Some browsable sections of the database are rebuilt on a weekly cycle. That's the normal cycle. However, when you add a new title, it has to go through additional processing. Because people often submit titles that are not really new, or are not appropriate for inclusion, each title must be examined and approved manually, based in part on the data submitted along with the title, which is why it's important to submit as much information as possible along with a new title. This currently adds two to four weeks to the cycle; data will not appear online until the title it is associated with has been approved. In addition, new names must also be approved for similar reasons; this adds about a week delay. If data is submitted to the wrong list (e.g., a casting assistant, which belongs in the miscellaneous crew list, submitted to the casting directors list), rerouting it adds another week or two. While a title or name is awaiting approval, the data is kept to one side. After the title/name is approved, the data is normally included the next time the list is processed, which means it should appear within a week. Unfortunately, it does sometimes get lost if there is an unusually long delay or other problems; we are working to reduce the number of these cases. For certain kinds of data, additional work is needed. Submissions of URLs for new sites are verified to be sure the site meets our guidelines of appropriateness (for example, sites submitted for a title must pertain to that specific title, not a company or actor). Finally, those lists with free-form text need manual copy editing for wording and duplicates. This takes varying amounts of times for the various lists, based on submission volumes and quality, along with the backlog for those lists (see the article last issue about the "TGQ" lists). A reminder that the TGQ backlog is processed in priority order; we've made excellent progress in the last 2 months. For reasons of timeliness, some information provided by IMDb staff bypasses part of this process. Most notably, editors collect box office data and links to reviews at some web sites; these are updated in the nightly build mentioned earlier. We also update biographies when someone notable dies, and information for certain high-profile awards will also appear online much faster. On the IMDbPro site, some of this information doesn't even have to wait for a nightly build. Over the next year, we hope to streamline the submission process, eliminating weekly batching and making changes that should reduce the number of bad title submissions. There will also be opportunities to see and comment on data that has been submitted but not processed. This process has already begun; for example, URLs are processed daily, not weekly. Cast credit order ----------------- The cast of a film is one of two sections of the database that does not necessarily appear in alphabetical order (the other is the writing credits). The rule for determining this order can be confusing, since we don't necessarily list the biggest stars first. The rule is this: the correct order for credits is that of the most comprehensive cast list, which in modern films is usually at the end. If that leaves the stars way down in the list, so be it. We do have another system for marking principal cast members that we have not yet fully deployed; that will allow us to feature those actors on the overview page regardless of cast order. We also expect to some day flag whether the cast is billed alphabetically or in order of appearance (the two most common counter-billing orders). Historical figures in cast lists -------------------------------- We have many appearances for historical characters playing themselves (e.g. Richard Nixon). It's very hard to draw the line here because in some cases those credits are valid and useful to have. Keeping Nixon as an example, some cases where the 'credit' is valid: # "Cold War" (1998) (mini) # Reel Radicals: The Sixties Revolution in Film (2002) (TV) # Making of a Leader (1919-1968), The (1994) (TV) # Houston, We've Got a Problem (1994) # Secret Life of Richard Nixon, The (2000) (TV) In other cases the credit is superfluous and should go. For example: # Frequency (2000) # Contact (1997) # Doors, The (1991) Even though footage of him was used in those films (and we mark his appearance as 'archive footage'), these appearances do not belong in the main cast list. The problem is that in many cases it's hard or impossible to make the distinction unless you are familiar with the film. For example, when you see a credit like "Watergate" (1994) (mini), you don't really know if this is a legitimate documentary appearance or some fictional based on fact program that uses footage of Nixon the same way Contact (1997) or JFK (1992) do. In some cases it can be determined by checking the data we have on the title (whether it's a docu, whether all other credits are for professional actors or historical figures etc.) but that requires tools/time/effort that we don't have right now. We do reject many similar credits (many appearances by Hitler, Bill Clinton, JFK or other historical figures are rejected every week). The ones that are listed in the database managed to creep into the lists. Not all submitters share the view that we should reject those credits; some see them online, assume that this is the norm, and send more of them. All this makes it harder to reject them, especially if we am not familiar with the titles involved. At this time we are erring on the side of accepting the credits when in doubt, and possibly removing them later when they are determined to be invalid. At some future time, we may create another way of listing such appearances that would clearly separate them from the main cast list. Episode lists ------------- As the coverage of television episodes has grown, some crew members have accumulated episode lists that have become unmanageably long. A more comprehensive solution to episodes is in the works, but until it arrives, we are using another approach. Where in the past you may have submitted multiple episodes in a single entry, like this: Spotnitz, Frank|"X Files, The" (1993)|(episodes "Alone (2001)", "Daemonicus (2001)") you should now submit each episode separately, like this: Spotnitz, Frank|"X Files, The" (1993)|(episode "Alone (2001)") Spotnitz, Frank|"X Files, The" (1993)|(episode "Daemonicus (2001)") Existing entries are being converted. In some cases, episode lists were temporarily replaced with "(multiple episodes)"; these should be converted back shortly as well. Some comments about AKA titles ------------------------------ After the last newsletter, we got some feedback about aka titles (alternative titles) in IMDb. This is a response to those remarks. We mentioned in the last issue that IMDbPro displays USA titles where available. This includes only those titles marked (USA) with no additional attributes like (informal English title). Thus, a title that is only a translation used in a review and not an actual release title should be marked appropriately; other possibilities are (informal literal English title) and (video title). Unfortunately, we add about 1000 aka titles each week, and are unable to investigate each one in depth. It's thus more important than ever to be sure to use the correct attributes on alternative titles. If a title should have an attribute and does not, please use CORRECT-AKA to point out the omission. The attribute (theatrical title) should only be used for, and is only present on, TV movies, mini-series, and video titles that would not normally get a theatrical release. There are many alternate titles with no attribute from the time before we attached attributes to alternate titles; again, if you know what the correct attribute should be, please report it with a CORRECT-AKA. The year in an aka title should correspond to the year that title was used. Our tools will, by default, force the year in the aka to match the year in the primary title. However, if the aka title specifies a country and we have a release date in that country with a different year, the year in the aka title will be corrected to match. Years in less structured lists, such as distributor attributes, cannot be used for this purpose; the only release years that really matter are those in the release date list. Finally, we recognize that aka titles for languages using non-Roman alphabets are not always consistent. While our title manager is fluent in four languages, there are many languages where his knowledge is minimal to zero. Correcting transliterations requires detailed knowledge about the original language, character set and transliteration rules. We do not have this knowledge for Japanese, Russian, Indian languages etc. We depend on the knowledge of our users here. The usual ways of correcting data applies here as well. There is no satisfying solution to this problem as long as no experts are available that basically debug the complete set of titles for one language and enforce standards to be used on every single title. UNIX tools 3.18 released ------------------------ Version 3.18 of the locally installed version of the database package (moviedb) has been released. It can be found at the usual FTP sites; see http://us.imdb.com/interfaces for details. There is one major change in this release. The previous versions could only handle 60,000 titles with votes; that limit has been removed in this version. In addition, various compile-time warnings should no longer occur. Installation remains the same as for earlier releases. Note that if you are using the X Windows interface, xregal, it cannot be compiled with most new releases of X. However, the changes in this release do not require recompilation of xregal, so if you have a working binary of xregal, keep using it. Alas, the author of xregal has chosen to stop supporting it, so a newer version is not available. To rebuild: Extract the tar file into a directory named database. Assuming you already have a copy of the database files, from ./database/ : make compile make installbin cd imoviedb; make; make install # If you need to build xregal and are able to: # cd ../xregal; make; make install cd .. make cleandbs make update-local ./etc/cgencompl -all # optional If it's not working for you, check the following things first: . Do you have enough disk space? . Are the source files for moviedb up to date? . Are all the binaries in database/bin/ and database/etc/ up to date? . Did you do *all* relevant steps above in the order listed? For further support, contact unix@imdb.com. Feedback -------- Thanks to the people that commented on the first issue of the newsletter. By far the most popular questions centered around our processing cycle, which is why the lead article in this issue is an overview of that cycle. Another popular question had to do with the proper method of correcting names; a major article on that subject is planned for the next issue. Many of the other articles in this issue were also inspired by user questions. Some other questions (summarized): Q: Don't goofs take a lot of time to check? Are people really that interested? A: They actually take more time to edit for readability and check for duplicates than to research, but yes, our logs show that goofs are a very popular part of the database. Q: Do you accept submissions for animal performers? A: We've recently changed our policy on this. If an animal performer is credited in the cast list, they can now be submitted with the regular cast list. If an animal performer is uncredited, or if their credit is buried in the miscellaneous credits of a movie, then we do not accept them. You should make your best guess of the actual gender of the animal when determining whether to submit it to the actor or actress list. Q: Why hasn't my miscellaneous crew submission appeared? A: Backlog on this list was running about 4 weeks. This has recently been cleared and is now back to normal. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMDb - Data Contributor's Newsletter - Issue 2 - THE END